tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post3977445299856974059..comments2022-12-23T18:53:46.921-05:00Comments on THE CONSERVATIVE HIPSTERS: One Member (One Vote) to Rule Us All?Qhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02390130413162103897noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-28989943572323237982007-11-13T20:36:00.000-05:002007-11-13T20:36:00.000-05:00Anon - my point is that if you live in Moncton and...Anon - my point is that if you live in Moncton and the convention is in Calgary, it will cost a fair amount to go to the convention to vote. Now, if they have riding voting which I guess many do, that's different. Fair point. <BR/><BR/>Q - most don't, so the system sucks.<BR/><BR/>Cool - I agree. That sucks too.B-Dubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946727914993264829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-71602859060834644112007-11-13T17:24:00.000-05:002007-11-13T17:24:00.000-05:00The CPC does use a delegate system, however, the d...The CPC does use a delegate system, however, the delegates vote by OMOV.<BR/><BR/>The old PCs did not use a OMOV system and their voting system featured things like automatic delegate status for the elites of the party AND gave their votes more weight. For example, I believe the votes of former candidates and MPs counted as 6 votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-89395634063177333562007-11-13T17:07:00.000-05:002007-11-13T17:07:00.000-05:00I believe that OMOV should only be used if the cut...I believe that OMOV should only be used if the cutoff date for membership was Dec 31st, the year PRIOR to the membershp election being held.<BR/><BR/>I hate these "insta-members" who then have to be purged off the lists after their candidate fails to make the grade.<BR/><BR/>If I am going to be a member, that membership should have some privledge. At the very least, the ability to choose my leader.<BR/><BR/>QQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02390130413162103897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-19928890915921891132007-11-13T16:59:00.000-05:002007-11-13T16:59:00.000-05:00"What's a fair system? Not OMOV. I don't think its..."What's a fair system? Not OMOV. I don't think its particularly fair that you have to attend the Convention to have your voice heard. In some instances, especially with national parties, the cost can reach upwards of $1,000. How is that fair? Seems elitist to me."<BR/><BR/>I think you are confusing the systems... OMOV you don't have to pay to go to a convention to have your voice heard, just pay the membership fee and you get to vote. It is much cheaper. I don't think I would have joined and started going to conventions if I had to win a delagate spot just to vote for my preferred leadership candidate. I joined just before the 2004 leadership vote and was able to vote for just $10 cost. There is no way I would have became a delegate that year with no prior involvement, and likely I would have quit after the DSM.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-46947226806966561322007-11-13T15:02:00.000-05:002007-11-13T15:02:00.000-05:00So, its about making sure people who don't have mo...So, its about making sure people who don't have money (like students) can't go to the convention? Sounds like "regular" is all a matter of opinion for you, hector. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and as for your examples, Joe Clark was not elected at a delegated convention - at least the second time around. <BR/><BR/>And if you mean the first time, that's not much of an argument. Brian Mulroney was also elected in a delegated convention and won two majority governments. Ernie Eves in Ontario was elected my OMOV and got his ass handed to him, as did John Tory. <BR/><BR/>Also in Ontario, Dalton McGuinty was elected via a delgated process and he just won two majority governments.B-Dubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08946727914993264829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7915803.post-7990323904897861752007-11-13T14:16:00.000-05:002007-11-13T14:16:00.000-05:00Four words to summarize why delegated conventions ...Four words to summarize why delegated conventions are bad: Joe, Clark, Stephane and Dion. Delegated conventions attract too many youth delegates, who have the time and desire to get drunk. Regular folks just want to vote for the best guy/gal and do something else with their lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com